IS PHYSICAL-NATIONAL ISRAEL NOW GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE?

PART ONE: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART TWO: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART THREE: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART FOUR: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART FIVE: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART SIX: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART SEVEN: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE PART EIGHT: RIDERS OF THE WRECKING MACHINE DISPENSATIONALISM:  CHURCH IN OT PROPHECY? IS PHYSICAL-NATIONAL ISRAEL NOW GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE? THE DIALECTIC IN LUKE 11: 14-27 SUN, MOON AND STARS IN REVELATION 6: 12-13 SERPENTS IN MARK 16: 17-18 AND LUKE 10: 19 THOSE ALIVE AT THE TRIBULATION WILL BE IN ONE OF FOUR GROUPS THE FOCUS OF THE TRIBULATION IS THE APOSTATE CHURCH SCRIPTURE ON THE PERSECUTION OF THE COMMON PEOPLE BY THE RICH FOCUS ON TOPICS FOR THOSE COMING OUT OF FALSE DOCTRINES RICK WARREN, SUPER CELEBRITY, RIDES THE BEAST CHRISTIANS UNITED FOR ISRAEL AND THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION THE  REMNANT OF ISRAEL THE  DIALECTIC AS USED IN LUKE 11: 14-27

Is National Israel Still God's Chosen people? Bernard Pyron

On February 27, 2007 I posted on the Yahoo Group Every Knee Shall Bow
an article called Rick Warren, Super celebrity, Rides the Beast.

Re: [EKSB] Re: Rick Warren, Super-Celebrity, Rides the Beast

In a message dated 3/2/2007 11:49:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steveb34205@... writes:
"A problem with small groups? I find our weekly home group very
edifying because we meet to worship and praise Jesus! There isn't
anything at all subversive about that.... and I haven't heard of any
Christian homegroup meeting for any other reason besides worshipping
and praising Jesus and Bible Study!

Jesus didn't come to do away with the law, but to fulfill the law.
And if I read you right, Jesus DID NOT say you must follow the King
James Version. If you want to get real about editions, then you need
to learn Ancient Greek and Hebrew. And the Jews are God's Chosen
People. They still need to accept Jesus, or Y'Shua as Messiah in
order to be saved."

The focus was changed in this post away from the  use of  the
non-Christian dialectic
by Rick Warren's facilitators in small goups to a focus on small Christian
groups as though small groups in themselves were the problem stated. Claiming
that Christ did not say we must follow the King James Version is a rhetorical
statement. Trying to shift the focus away from the problem of the use of a
non-Christian belief changing method - the dialectic - and saying Jesus did not
tell us to use only the King James Version add little to an understanding of
what Rick Warren and John Hagee are doing and why that is important to discern
at this point in time.
I want to deal with the issue of  the Jews as God's Chosen People.  John Hagee
is explicit in promoting this doctrine.

Lets start with Exodus 19;  1-7:

"In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out
of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of
Sinai...And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out
of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob,
and tell the children of Israel...Now therefore, if ye will obey my
voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar
treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:  And ye
shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are
the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. And
Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before
their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him..."
Look at the "If" in front of the sentence which says "...if ye will
obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be unto me a
peculiar treasure unto me above all people..."  This is a conditional
covanant made by the Lord with his people Israel. When we get to  the
Davidic covenant we will see that it is a promise to David with no
conditions attached.

Leviticus 26: 1-27 says "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image,
neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any
image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD
your God. 2. Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I
am the LORD. 3. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments,
and do them; 4. Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land
shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their
fruit. 5. And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the
vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread
to the full, and dwell in your land safely. 6. And I will give peace
in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid:
and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go
through your land. 7. And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall
fall before you by the sword. 8. And five of you shall chase an
hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and
your enemies shall fall before you by the sword...
But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these
commandments; 15. And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul
abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but
that ye break my covenant: 16. I also will do this unto you; I will
even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that
shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow
your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it."

 The chapter goes on to describe many more curses that God promises to
bring on Israel if they break his
covenant.

Deuteronomy 28: 1-14 says much the same thing.  God is dealing with Israel in a
conditional way. If they follow and obey him, he will bless them, but
if they turn
away from him and his truth, he will curse them.
God does say that Israel is his chosen people.  But remember that the
covanant at Sinai
is a conditional covenant.

I Chronicals 16: 13 says ". O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye
children of Jacob, his chosen ones."
Psalms 105: 6 says "O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of
Jacob his chosen."
And Isaiah 44: 1 says "Yet now  hear, O Jacob my servant;  and Israel,
whom I have
chosen."

Paul teaches in Galatians  3: 29 that " And if ye be Christ's, then
are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise."  He is talking about the
spiritual seed of Abraham,
which is more important for eternal life  with  Christ than being the
physical seed of Abraham.  As we will see, the majority of the
physical seed of Abraham broke the conditional covenant.  Those who
are Christ's, being the spiritual seed of Abraham, no matter what race
they are, helps explain what Peter says in I Peter 2: 9, "But ye are a
chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar
people..."
But, you might say, I Chronicals, Psalms and Isaiah say that Israel is
God's chosen
people.  If Peter is saying that those in Christ are the chosen
people, or chosen
generation, how can this be squared with the teaching that Israel is
the chosen people?.
Spiritual Israel is and has been God's chosen people.  "For they are
not all Israel, which
are Israel (Romans 9: 6).  Paul in I Corinthians 10:  18  makes this
statement clearer
in saying "Behold Israel after the flesh..."  The implication is that
there is an Israel after
the flesh and an Israel after  the Spirit, that is, members  of a
spiritual Israel who
are led by the Holy Spirit.

Psalm 78: 10-11 says "They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk
in his ways.  And forgot his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them."

Israel, as a whole, the nation made up of  the people of Israel, broke
the conditional
covenant.  Jeremiah and other prophets deal with this falling away of
Israel. The people
of Israel worshipped idols, participated in ancient Babylonian or
pagan rituals, engaged
in child sacrifice to Moloch, worshipped the Queen of heaven, they engaged in
usury, and on and on. In Ezekiel 8: 7-18 God shows the prophet a number of
pagan Babylonian abominations that the people of Israel take part in,
including women weeping for the pagan god Tammuz.

 Stephen got stoned to death in Acts 7: 43 when he said to the Pharisees that
they, and the people of Israel for many generations before them,
"...took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of
your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them:  and I will
carry you away
beyond Babylon." If the star of Remphan is not the exact star  of
Solomon, the six
poined star of Zionism, it is an idol which is quite  similar. CUFI,
Christians United For
Israel, and John Hagee display this six poined star  idol  at their meetings.

As a result  of the failure of Israel, as a whole, to keep the
covenant, Isaiah 50: 1 says
"Thus saith the Lord, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement,
whom I have put
away?   Or which of my creditors is it to whom  I have sold you?
Behold, for your
iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is
your mother put away."
Isaiah 5: 1-7 uses the vineyard as a metaphor for Israel.
"...wherefore, when I looked,
that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?...And
now go to:  I will tell
you what I will do with to my vineyard:  I will take away the hedge
thereof, and it shall
be eaten up;  and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden
down.  And I will
lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged, but there shall come
up briers and thorns..."
The briers  and thorns are metaphors for God's people who go bad.

In Mark 12:  1-9 Christ tells the parable of a vineyard which
represents Israel.  First,
the caretakers of the Lord's vineyard beat the Lord's servant. He sent
another servant
and they wounded him.  Finally, the Lord sent his son to work in his
vineyarrd.  The
husbandmen, the caretakers, of the Lord's vineyard, who clearly are
the religious
leaders, kill the son of the Lord.  In verse 9 it says "What shall
therefore the lord of the
vineyard do?  he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and he will
give the vineyard to
others."
God   gave Old Testament Israel   to another people.
God  began by giving his vineyard to a Remnant of Israel, the apostles of  Jesus
Christ.

Even before the Cross and Pentecost, there was a Remnant of Israel.  We find
it mentioned in Isaiah 10: 20, Isaiah 46: 3, Jeremiah 6: 9, Jeremiah
31: 7, Ezekiel 6: 8,
Ezekiel 11: 13, Ezekiel14: 22, Joel 2: 322 and Micah 4: 7.

Isaiah 10: 20 is a prophecy about a Remnant of Israel in the end
times.  "And it shall
come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are
escaped of the house
of  Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him  that smote them:  but
shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth."  This is
more than just a prophecy saying there will be a Remnant of Israel in
the end time. It speaks of  a "him" that had smote 'them."  This is
during the Tribulation when a group of Christians who had previously
been in false
doctrines repent and come to the truth of Christ, but for this they
are jailed and killed by
other Christians who do not turn to the truth. A major scripture on
this is Zechariah
13: 8-9, and also Revelation 9 on the 5th and 6th Trumpet Judgments. Revelation
9: 3-5 identifies one group of players as the locust-scorpions who do not have
the power to kill the Multitude but only to torment them. The other group in
Revelation 9: 19 names them as the scorpions who in verse 18 are said to
kill a third part of men.  "Men" refers to the third group of players
in the Trumpet
Judgments, which can be called the Multitude, the one third of the apostate
Chuch in Zechariah 13:9 who are brought through the fire, are refined, and then
call upon the Lord, who hears them and accepts them as his people.  The fire
is the tribulation during which these Christians are to be tormented and killed
by the serpents.

In Ezekiel 14: 20-22 God says he will send judgment upon Jerusalem, which
repesents Israel, but "Yet behold, therein shall be left a remnant..."
Although God divorces Israel as a whole, a he leaves a Remnant who are
faithful to him.  His promises are fulfilled in this remnant.   The
Remnant of Israel in Old Testament times continued to  be God's people.
In Isaiah 13: 3 God talks  about  "...commanding my sanctified ones."  The
sanctified ones are the Old Testament prophets and others who stayed
faithful to the Lord and did not bow their knee to Baal.  His sanctified ones
are  also the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and 14, a group  who have not yet been
sealed  and set aside by God..

II Samuel 7: 1-12 contains the promise of God to David that "...when thy days
be fulfilled, and thou shall sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy
seed  after
thee, which shall  proceed  out of thy bowels,  and I will establish
his kingdom."
In I Samuel, David killed the giant  Goliath which probably saved the people of
Israel from being defeated by the Philistines.  Though David sinned,
he was God's
man, and represened spiitual Israel as well as Jesus Christ.  Saul, on the other
hand, represents Israel after the flesh. Saul refused to give into God's plan to
put David on the throne.  He went his own way, independent of God's
plans. Since Saul did not surrender to the Lord, and obey God, he
gradually went bad and tried to kill David, the Lord's man. He also consulted
with a witch, or spirit medium.

 In I Samuel, Saul  represents the majority of Old Testament  Israel,
who departed
from God. While David represents Christ and spiritual Israel, Saul represents
the Pharisees and apostate Israel as well as Israel after the flesh.
Finally, they are not all Israel, which  are  of  Israel.  There is spiritual
Israel which includes all those who are in Christ's truth and stay in it,
and there is physical Israel, the Jews who reject Christ.

 Paul says in
Romans 2: 28-29  that "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither
is that circumcision which is outward in he flesh.  But he is a Jew, which is
one inwardly;  and circumcision is  that of the heart, in the spirit,
and not in the
letter;  whose praise is not of  men, but of God."
Is Paul  saying  that to  be a Jew inwardly, a spiritual Jew, means
that Jews who are in Christ's truth and abide in it are spiritual Jews and other
Jews who reject Christ are not spiritual Jews and not in the kingdom of God?.
Yes, he is saying that, and more. Gentiles who are in Christ and have
the Spirit,
can be metaphoically called inward Jews, or spiritual Jews.

I Peter 2: 9 says "...ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy
nation, a peculiar people: that ye should shew forth the praises of him that
hath called  you out of darkness into  his marvellous light."

Physical or unsaved
Jews are in spiritual darkness.
Christians who are  in the truth as stated in the entire Bible and  abide
in Christ's truth and righteousness, and don't try to go their own
way, establish
their own righteousness or follow theology rather than Scripture, are the chosen
generation Peter speaks of here.

For Christians to make a major part of their doctrine the teaching that physical
Israel, that is, unsaved  Jews that reject Christ, are the Chosen
People is to give
up the Christian's position in Christ. They follow Esau who in Genesis 25:  34
despised his birthright.  God hated Esau and he may not take kindly to
a Christian's
giving up his position as a member of the chosen generation to unsaved Jews.

In an allegorical sense, Christians United For Israel and Hagee are re-building
Edom, the house of Esau, mentioned in Malachi 1: 4.

Dispensationalist celebrity preachers, like Hagee, who make the
teaching that all Jews, whether they follow
Christ or not, are God's chosen people a major part of their message are
operating in the spirit of the wicked counsellor in Nahum 1: 11. For many of the
Jews who Hagee and his followers are raising up above Christians as
the Chosen People deny that Jesus Christ is God who came in human
flesh.  "For many
deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come
In the  flesh,  This is a deceiver and an antichrist (II John 1: 7)."
Bernard

 

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